Neighbors on quiet, tree-lined Mang Avenue in the Village of Kenmore have spent 13 years trying to forget the afternoon that John Daniel Justice killed his family and a neighborhood man.
Last week, folks on Mang learned that Justice is seeking early release from prison.
Now all the memories are back -- in full, frightening force.
"Don't let him out," said Norene Julkowski, who lived down the block from the Justice family and recalled the younger son, Mark, coming to swim in her pool the day before he was killed.
"That kid is a mental case," she said of John Justice. "They should keep him locked up."
Justice, who is serving a prison sentence of 13 1/3 to 30 years, went on a murderous rampage the afternoon of Sept. 16, 1985, stabbing his father, John, his mother, Mary, and brother to death in their home.
He later killed a young man who lived on Mang, Wayne M. Haun, 22, in a car collision that was the result of a failed suicide attempt.
Justice's attorney revealed late last week that his client plans to go to the state parole board in six weeks to ask to be released Jan. 11, the earliest possible date he could be granted freedom.
John R. Nuchereno, Justice's attorney, says his client wants to be placed in a psychiatric facility.
Nuchereno says Justice, now 30, has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic but that he is off medication and has not suffered recurring episodes of his mental illness.
He was 17 at the time of the killings, an honor student who had dreams of attending an Ivy League college. A note by Justice found at the scene said he had killed "out of love, not hate. This had to be done. My family deserved better."
His attorney says Justice believed his family was falling apart and that he was to blame.
The neighborhood remains baffled by the crime, which makes sorting out feelings about Justice and his fate that much harder.
Gary Armstrong, a longtime resident of Mang, said he is worried that if Justice is released to a psychiatric facility, he may later try to leave there. He is not convinced that Justice should be allowed to leave prison.
Frank Page also wrestles with that issue.
"I feel sympathy for him," said Page, whose house is about half a block from the where the Justice family lived.
Page remembered planning to stop by the Justice house after work that day for a friendly talk with the father about his son Mark, who had been teasing his daughter.
By the time he got home from work, though, the street was lined with police cars and television news vans.
"I don't know. Maybe he needs psychiatric help now," said Page. "But I don't know that John Justice should ever walk the streets. I don't understand why you kill your immediate family. To me, that's unthinkable. My family is what I live for."
Whatever happens, neighbors say the afternoon of Sept. 16, 1985, is likely to haunt Mang Avenue's residents for years to come.
"This is something that happens in someone else's community," said Armstrong.
"We really could use some closure," said Page.